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It's just practice so I'd recommend getting a good every day deck like you've been using. Q4 is their lowest standard, and is considered "tolerable" - it basically means that more margin is given for error. I mean sleight of hand and flourishing probably have quite different things you look for in a card right? For some weird reason I've used my 2 phoenix decks more than any of the other decks because to me it seems they have kept performing the best compared to time used with the others. Thanks a lot guys, a lot of information here. Depending on amount printed they can use two methods. They are Linoid vs Air cushion and I've personally not been able to notice a difference. Same Stock as Bikes, more attention to quality and I find they last longer because of it. I also watched the video which was very informative indeed. Q1 is their highest standard, and where they check closely for the best results in areas like centering, print registration, cutting, colour, and flaws. Most custom decks feature an embossed texture with a Magic finish, with the only significant difference between them being the paper stock. I've made sort of a short summary of what was said in the video. I got no clue what the difference is between all these different bicycle decks like and "seconds" or something they are called. Not sure. And why I would choose one over the other. Cut back to face Traditional cut means that the cards are cut face to back. I've used my bikes the most since that's what I purchased a brick of first and well I mean I can't really say anything bad about these cards besides that when I make a single mistake and bend a card somewhere a little to much it's hard to get back bent back and when you hold the deck as a pack in your hand you can always see they do not connect neatly anymore. The idea is that the cards just last as long as possible, Fan as long as possible and stay straight and smooth. Waffle pattern. Quality indication - Q1 to Q4 Different Combinations of all of the above. I personally liked the phoenix's the most but I'm still kinda leaning towards get a brick of Tally because I read a lot of good things about them and it makes me think I've not played with them enough to judge them correctly. There are so many facets to it that I cannot make this decision alone. Alex Pandrea wanted them to be an every day use deck, so he's not making them super expensive. This standard is a threshold benchmark for things like centering, registration, cutting, color, flaws, etc. Bee deck is just very different but it seems a solid deck that does not bend easy and therefor stays straight for a long time allowing to perform certain tricks much longer than other cards I tried. The face side is slightly rounded up and the backside is flat. Sheet has to be manually flipped. There's standard stock and crushed stock I believe? I looked at my tally ho - bee and bicycle decks and I cannot find mention on the tuck boxes of these finishes. Eco type decks Theory11 prints on these. And he said the following. If you feel like you'll burn through decks quickly, get something with good value. You can find them cheaper on other websites I got mine from Art of Play, decks for 36 bucks. A reverse. I cannot find that info on any of my more expensive decks either actually. Fifth Question: Is magic finish worth the extra dollars to make a deck last longer when considering using it only for practice.{/INSERTKEYS}{/PARAGRAPH} Second question: It is still unclear to me what the difference between a Q1 and a Q4 deck would be. Besides most of them having different finishes I find it hard to determine which ones I like more. And I'm almost through my brick of bikes and now I'm considering buying the same or different cards. And this sometimes happens like 2 minutes after being opened. In fact most decks produced by USPCC are of similar quality, and the differences between certain decks that some people insist on are largely just a matter of different branding, as well as normal variation to be expected in different batches of paper. Smooth finish cards don't fan or spread well. It also matters what types of things you do with them. So to sum up a few things I'd like to know, which ones do you prefer and why and for which type of card magic. Some will be thinner than bikes because of paper issues. What this means is that you will have a more consistent product, and for that reason it feels slightly thicker than some bikes, though it isn't because Bikes are not always perfect. Pressure used decides the type of stock. Juvator likes this. Black Cherry Casino's seem to be good every day decks too. Now I know there's a lot of things to cards.. End of story. First question: I am uncertain how to determine whether or not a deck has Magic finish. I can't quite put my finger on why I like them but still wouldn't want them as my go to deck haha. The video says that web pressed could be of higher quality but then again: "Endersgame" at unitedcardist. They say are cut differently compared to the bicycles? Good price for quality. I thought maybe my phoenix's could be crushed stock. All of them. Again, I've only heard this, don't have any actual proof. There is a few differences in the Standard 3 Tallys, Bees, Bikes that I think you should be aware of though: -Bees have a full bordered design. After some googling I found this information posted by "Endersgame" On unitedcardists. Oh and then there might be a difference in paper quality? This has to do with the thickness of the cards and how they perform straight from the box right? And then I look at my phoenix's or bee's that saw much more use and they do not have those problems as much. I like Circle back Tally's, but standard bikes will do just fine too. This means they can do shuffles and faro's out of the box easier. Just keep trying decks and see what you like. {PARAGRAPH}{INSERTKEYS}Discussion in ' General Discussion ' started by Juvator , Oct 26, Which brick of cards to purchase next for practice Discussion in ' General Discussion ' started by Juvator , Oct 26, Joined: Sep 9, Messages: 76 Likes Received: Over the past 2 months I've been trying Bee's - Phoenix - Bicycle with the gold border on the tuckcase and Tally-ho decks. It makes me wonder if such limited edition decks are actually of lesser quality because of that. Whether it is true or not, Eco Stock is pretty much the same as a consistent Crushed Stock, but Eco Friendly and I think it is also a bit thinner? I mean I can imagine it a bit but not specifically and I don't know if that information is even available. 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